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  • #31
    Re: lights for law enforcement


    There are now a number of aftermarket lamps for the popular series of Surefire lights.
    They will fit the Surefires series: 6P, C, Z, D, G, and maybe others.

    I just received a new one that claims 290 lumens and is called a Cree R-2 (itís supposed to be even more powerful than the Cree Q-5).
    I decided to do a shoot out with an assortment of lights that I have in the 200 plus lumens class. That way the members can see how they perform against each other.

    Run time was not measured for lack of time and because I am running short on 123ís batteries. The bigger lights, namely the Surefire M-4 with the MN60 lamp (225 lumens for 60 minutes on four 123ís disposable batteries) and the Bear Cub from Black Bear Flashlights (220 lumens for 90 minutes on rechargeable Li Ion batteries) are big throwers and with them you can see clearly objects 120 and 150 yards away.

    On the other hand the small reflectors of the Surefires G-2, Centurion 2 and Fenix T-1 are dispersing all those lumens close by, creating a great flood.
    Those pocket lights will be great to use as tactical lights by law enforcement personnel, and especially good at clearing houses, while the Surefire M-4 and the Bear Cub will make great lights for car, truck and the open spaces.

    The literature of the Fenix states that itís good for 200 yards, it will probably make a reflective target like a stop sign glow at that distance, but it would hardly illuminate any other object. My perception from trials I made, is that this light as well as the others LEDís canít be count to illuminate (poorly) objects beyond 60/70 yards.

    In any case, a lamp upgrade if you own a Surefire pocket light, is a good idea as any of them are more powerful than the stock incandescent lamp of 65 lumens or the stock LED lamp of 80 lumens.

    The lights as they appear in the picture are, from left to right:

    Surefire M-4 MN60 lamp 225 lumens for 1 hour (running on four 123ís batteries)
    Bear Cub 220 lumens for 90 minutes, rechargeable
    Surefire G-2 in yellow. It is 65 lumens for one hour with the stock P-60 lamp
    Surefire G-2 in black, Lumen Factory lamp incandescent of 160 lumens
    Surefire G-2 in green, Cree Q-5 by Deal Xtreme, 200 lumens
    Surefire Centurion 2 in Jungle Camo, 290 lumens (claimed) with the Cree R-2 lamp
    Fenix T-1, 225 lumens using a Cree Q-5 lamp

    And now the pictures, target is 20 yards away, watch also the amount of side spill as well as the throw.








    One word of caution with high intensity LED lights: most are not thermally regulated and they will suffer from their own heat if used for an extended period. They will get very hot and the tint will change. Short use of 5 minutes or less is recommended, especially in lights like the G-2 that has a plastic body and head.

    All metal flashlights like the Surefire 6P are better at dissipating the heat, and in them a few more minutes of constant use can be achieved before the heat will damage the module.
    The big heavy head of the Fenix acts as a heat sink, and this light can manage to run much longer without the heat affecting the module.

    Besides, the Fenix has a second setting that will run the light at 60 lumens for 10 hours.
    So, if you already have a Surefire you want to upgrade, the aftermarkets lamps are great.
    If you need a new light look at the Fenix line.

    If you need a truck, open spaces light, the Bear Cub is a great value as it is rechargeable and very bright as well as a 150 yards thrower.


    Black Bear


    • #32
      Re: lights for law enforcement

      Merry Christmas to all

      Black Bear


      • #33
        Re: lights for law enforcement


        For the last two months, I have been using one of the Terralux Lightstar 220 lumens flashlights, which runs on two AA batteries.
        This light has two settings on the click-tail cap; the first setting clicks on the light and emits 220 lumens for 1.5 hours.
        The second setting of 100 lumens for 6 hours is accessed by softly pressing the rubber button switch.

        The LED is a Cree RXE Q-4 and is controlled by a microprocessor for a constant light output. When battery juice is running low, the LED will flicker to let you know that is time for new batteries.
        The unit comes with two Energizer AA batteries, a lanyard and a soft nylon holster. At an even six inches long, the light is quite portable and also features a clip to attach it to your belt or waistband.

        It is very similar to the popular 3 watt 80 lumens Ray-O-Vac Sportsman Xtreme (but is slightly longer as the click tail cap needs more room for the mechanism), and the head is smaller with a small orange peel reflector.

        Due to the small reflector the beam throws quite a flood despite the 220 lumens figure. Small reflectors donít really have much throw no matter how many lumens you make the light puts out. However, it is quite adequate for most chores inside a house and practical, too, for walking the dog or a walk in the woods.



        The really nice thing about these lights are that they are very inexpensive to feed as they use common AA batteries. As I use rechargeable AA batteries in all my lights, it is even more inexpensive to use.
        The dark green anodized body is quite resistant to scratches as the light is still like new even after a couple months of sharing my pocket with keys and coins.

        Cost of the light varies depending where you buy it, but it is around $35 to $40 USD; your best bet is to Google it to see who has a special on it.
        I like this light to the point of recommending it to anybody that is looking for a light with these characteristics. The light is as good as the Ray-O-Vac Sportsman with the added power of the 220 lumen setting.
        Black Bear


        • #34
          Re: lights for law enforcement


          A lumen is not a lumen when somebody intends to throw a big bunch of them out of a small reflector the size of a dime or nickel. At least it seems to be that way.

          It used to be easy to tell the power of a light by the lumens figure, not anymore. You could be an experience user of lights, say a policeman that had used for years a 200 lumens Magchager and is well acquainted with its capabilities. Now he reads about this small light the size of a thumb that also outputs 200 lumens and is all excited to get the new marvel.

          He does and is promptly disappointed because the small light seems to throw a good amount of light, but all close by, and is nothing that can compare with his duty Magcharger that can illuminate objects at 100 yards.

          Besides emitters in the 200 lumens bracket can kill themselves with the heat that they produce when they are used in small lights with poor heat sinking. It is mostly a novelty thing and it should be used with caution. Some of them come in lights with multiple settings, and that is fine when the literature advice you to use the 200 lumens sparingly, and you follow that advice.

          To illustrate the point, here are a couple of pictures of beam shots at 20 yards, you can clearly see the superiority of the Bear Cub (reflector size 2Ē) over the Lightstar 220, (reflector the size of a dime) even when both lights are rated at 220 lumens.


          BEAR CUB 220 LUMENS AT 20 YARDS

          Some manufacturers wishing to quote big numbers are now putting clusters of these small reflectors on duty size flashlights. Mind you these clusters that are from three to four are still all small reflectors with limited throw.

          So, somebody putting a cluster of four reflectors in a big head can claim 800 lumens, but you know better now, knowing that those 200 lumens for each reflector are not really behaving like real lumens!

          Unfortunately I donít have one of those lights to prove the point. But I can get my own cluster of lights in the 200 lumens bracket, and demonstrate by picture what can you expect.

          I have here two of the Lightstar220 lumens, plus a Fenix P3D of 205 lumens and an Ultra Fire with Rebel emitter of 200 lumens, all of which together in a cluster will throw the figure of 845 lumens.

          The opposite number is a Black Bear 720 lumens flashlight, a light that is 10Ē long and weights 24 oz. and uses a 2Ē reflector that can throw several hundred of yards with a strong white light.


          The distance for both beam shots is in this case 35 yards to the target (The no trespassing sign tacked in the tree). The camera is 20 yards from the target.



          Observe how the beam of the 720 lumens light travels beyond the range of the cluster lights, illuminating objects that the cluster lights are not capable of showing.
          So, if you are in the market for a new light, this use of small reflectors in clusters to boost lumens figures is something you should be aware off.


          Black Bear


          • #35
            Re: lights for law enforcement

            750 LUMENS FOR 75 MINUTES

            As you may know the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight is the most powerful military/police flashlight in use today.
            The Borealis will make 1050 lumens for 50 minutes on rechargeable batteries. Now a new bulb is available which will run the light for 75 minutes with a drop of only 300 lumens.

            Lights in use by police today are the Magcharger, the Stingers, the SL 20 up to 200 lumens, the Ultra Stinger-295 lumens, the Pelican 7060-135 lumens, and the Fenix TK series up to 240 lumens.
            Military forces use a variety of Surefires as weapon lights with 120 lumens and hand held like the Surefire M-4, 350 lumens and the Surefire M-6 at 500 lumens.
            So, the above statement of the Borealis been the most powerful is not an exaggeration, many are been used daily by police and many are doing tour of duty in Afghanistan and Iraq.

            What the new bulb does is extend the run time to 75 minutes without reducing drastically the output.
            As no other duty flashlight with the same lumens is available, I decided to conduct a shoot out against a big two million candlepower spotlight, the one at hand was an almost new Brikmann Q beam Max million II (two million candlepower) with a reflector of five inches wide and a big bulb of 75 watt.
            All this in competition to a bean sized 30 watt bulb and two inch reflector of the Borealis.



            This particular Borealis has a Light Stippled reflector, a reflector designed to give a good balance between flood and throw, but given the semi custom character of the Borealis three other reflectors are available, smooth for maximum throw, orange peel for just a little less throw but more flood (also called side spill) and a medium stippled reflector designed for a big flood but with the range limited to 100 yards.

            As the night was bitterly cold I decided to take the pictures and shoot the beams right out of my second story kitchen window, with the short tripod legs resting in the kitchen sink.
            The target is the white and blue cabana which is the second building in the picture after the fence.
            The target is 74 yards from my window, with back trees as much as 85 yards (they are still visible with both lights).
            Due to the big reflector in the spot light, the beam is concentrated in the center of the picture and illumination from the side spill is not as great as it is with the Borealis 750 lumens bulb.
            Observe both pictures and you will see more area illuminated by the Borealis 750 lumens bulb, than is illuminated by the two million candlepower spotlight.
            Still the intensity of both beams is similar at the center of the target area.



            In conclusion the new Borealis bulb of 750 lumens is worthy for those that will want a run time of 75 minutes. Even after loosing 300 lumens the Borealis still is the most powerful flashlight used by the police and the military.

            The light can be ordered with the 1050 lumens bulb installed and the spare as the 750 lumens or vice-versa. You can also order the reflector most appropriate for you work, the only light in the Industry that offers you a choice of four reflectors.

            Black Bear


            • #36
              Re: lights for law enforcement


              Here is a product that I can recommend highly.
              The batteries are very low self discharge; the claim by Sanyo is that they will keep 85 percent of the charge for a year when they are left in the shelf unused.

              They can also be used without charging right from the package the first time, as they are fully charged at the factory.
              I recently had the opportunity to test their claims. Last year about this time I left a Borealis flashlight loaded with nine Eneloop batteries in my buddy’s fishing shack he has in the Adirondacks.
              After a period of over a year, I tested the Eneloops and the powerful Borealis flashlight (1050 lumens, over two million candlepower) to see how much remaining charge it had left.

              This particular set of batteries has been recharged and used quite a few times, and the run time of the Borealis with them was 40 minutes when fully charged. (Batteries gain capacity when recharged several times).

              Under controlled conditions and watch in hand, I ran the Borealis until the beam started to weaken, and got a run time of 36 minutes, just 4 minutes short of full run time after a year of seating on the shelf. I say this is an amazing performance for a rechargeable battery that is also high current coping very well with the powerful almost 3 Ĺ amps of the Borealis’ bulb.

              Ever since the Eneloops are in the market, some other batteries have come out with the same chemistry, however, I cannot comment on them as I haven’t used them to the extend I have used the Eneloops.


              Black Bear


              • #37
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                THE BEAR CUB

                Not long ago to get magnum illumination out of a flashlight, I had to drop down the tube, six of the big D batteries on a Maglite 6 D size.
                That the light weights three pounds one ounce and measures 19 Ĺ inches was just incidental to the use if I wanted to get a really good, powerful beam.

                Later Surefire come up with small lights that could take two and three or four small but powerful 123ís camera batteries, some of those lights, come up and surpass the 181 lumens of the big Maglite 6 D.
                I am thinking now of the specialty tactical light than Surefire have as the M-4 that uses four of the 123 batteries for 225 lumens for one hour run time. The M-4 was made famous by been used in the CSI Las Vegas series.
                Incidentally the M-4 is not precisely inexpensive, costing $330 USD from Surefire or their dealers.

                The only problem is that the little 3 volts batteries are quite expensive, and using four of them for one hour run time can cost you $8.00 for that hour.
                And that is if you buy them at discount over the Internet, when purchased in the camera stores (such as Wal Mart) the little 3 volts batteries cost as much as $4 each.

                So a light of the size of the Surefire M-4 (9 inches long) was highly desired if it could be made to run on rechargeable batteries, to avoid the big battery expense of the M-4.

                Enter the Bear Cub, a nine inches light, with a 13 oz. weight that is rechargeable and uses Lithium Ion batteries.
                This little light makes 220 lumens for 90 minutes of run time, and then recharges its two batteries with a fast charger that is included, in three and a half hours.
                The Lithium Ion batteries can be recharged up to 1,000 times and when they eventually get depleted can be replaced with $30.


                AND HERE NEXT TO THE MAGLITE 6 D

                And here a couple of beam shots at 26 yards for comparison.

                MAGLITE 6 D

                BEAR CUB

                Yes the little rechargeable Bear Cub is characterized for an intense white light, and a run time of 90 minutes, all in a small size that can fit in any glove compartment or trench coat pocket.
                Best Wishes

                Black Bear


                • #38
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                  1050 LUMENS

                  Five years ago the Borealis flashlight was conceived to be the most powerful military/police flashlight in the world. At 1050 lumens the beam of light is very similar to a two million candlepower spotlight, all that power cased in a 12 Ĺ inches long, 28 oz. light, that will run for 50 minutes before needing a recharge. Then the light uses a fast RC charger that does the job of recharging the high current batteries in 90 minutes.

                  Five years ago everybody was in awe of the Surefire M-6, a military/police light that makes 500 lumens for 20 minutes run time on six disposable 123ís batteries, at a cost of almost $12 per twenty minutes run.
                  When the agency pays for the batteries, all is well, but for the civilians that wanted to have those mega lumens of light, there was no option. Black Bear Flashlights wanted to produce a rechargeable light that surpassed the M-6 and still be affordable for those with mortgages and families, and the result was the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.

                  The light was conceived to make use of the Maglite 3 D shell that is available anywhere, that way after years of hard use, the shell can be replaced for less than $20 USD and in ten minutes of the ownerís time.
                  The super-bulb that is almost 3 Ĺ amps needs some very powerful batteries; those nine AA batteries of high current are housed inside a Rolls Royce battery carrier that has also a charging port on the negative side. Plugging the RC fast charger in this port for 90 minutes, will recharge the powerful AA Nimh batteries.


                  The Borealis also has some especial components to cope with the increased heat from the bulb. A ceramic switch/bulb holder, a solid aluminum reflector and a Pyrex lens, take care of the high temperature issue.

                  The BOREALIS is the highest intensity incandescent flashlight available in the market. Some HIDís lights throw more lumens, but those are considered searchlights and not flashlights; as a HID can take as much as 30 seconds to start up, they are NOT instantaneous as the incandescent flashlights are.

                  THE CONTENDERS FROM LEFT;

                  MAGLITE 3 D (the most popular police flashlight)


                  ULTRA STINGER

                  SUREFIRE M-6


                  Black Bear Flashlights spends several hours on each light working on fixing all the internal resistance issues and pro-gold all contacts and components for an increased conductivity. This results in their trademark of intense WHITE light as more voltage reaches the super-bulb. This bulb is not a flashlight bulb, but one made for powerful medical instruments.


                  Police officers have adopted the Borealis for its tremendous throw and flood capabilities; hunters have abandoned their spotlights for the easy carrying of the Borealis, and civilians looking for a powerful light for the car or for home defense are flocking to the Borealis flashlight.

                  Black Bear


                  • #39
                    Re: lights for law enforcement

                    SUREFIRE WEAPON LIGHT
                    345 LUMENS

                    Hi guys,
                    A member of another forum has this idea of boring the inside diameter of a Surefire 6P to accept a laptop computer Li Ion battery.
                    I did my own version and discover that I can get a 345 lumens lamp (LED new R-5) at close to two hours run time.

                    You can mount this baby in a 5.56 mm a 50 caliber or a shotgun, it will shrug recoil no matter what caliber you shoot.
                    How come?

                    The heavy spring on the lamp act as a shock absorber and prevent lamp battering by the battery. And been an LED is not filament to break down.

                    The special machined Surefire body is a part of the equation.
                    The Lamp is a new one by Thru Nite, it is the new Cree R-5 and output and incredible 345 lumens (well more than any Surefire weapon light)


                    This lamp is a flood/throw and is ideal to clear rooms with the AR.
                    For night hunting I am changing to a 300 lumens lamp that have a better throw (different reflector treatment) so those coyotes have to watch out.

                    The tail cap has a remote cable switch with pressure pad, so I can place it on the stock of my rifle or shotgun, under my thumb. Yes thumb pressure will activate the light.

                    Usually this type of light uses 123ís batteries, they go fast under the power of 345 lumens, so I opted for a long run time computer battery, rechargeable, that will last you close to 2 hours of run time.

                    Moreover, when I am unsure of how much battery juice is in the battery, I just pop it into the charger and you get a full charged battery, ideal if I practice much night shooting with my AR.
                    You cannot do that with 123ís primary batteries unless you are willing to dump expensive half used batteries.

                    Li Ion technology will provide extend use if I donít use the light, an occasional full top charge every 5 months will keep the battery at full capacity.

                    I have used a crenellated bezel up front, but I am thinking to put a flat bezel as I think the crenellated is able to catch on brush,
                    I provided the light with a Weaver ring, but I am thinking to change it to some Quick detach lever mount like the Leupold style Weaver style for the AR, as I donít want it on the rifle when hunting Whitetails during the day in the laurel tickets ( I hunt with a mini 30).
                    Yes the Weaver detaches quick but I will need a coin from my pocket.
                    So you can compare with any of my other beam shots from the past, I use the same camera setting for all beam shots.

                    This is the Quick Detach ring that I will use in my AR; it will fit the Picatinny or the Weaver bases.

                    I mounted a magazine picatinny mount in my home defense shotgun, so I will make another light for the Mossberg and I will have this one with a pressure tape curly cord switch, the curly cord have more reach than the straight 9Ē cable for mounting way out there under the barrel of the shotgun.



                    • #40
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                      [b]Hi guys,
                      I havenít purchased any new light to test for this thread, rather I have been very busy building the Borealis 1150 lumens and a new weapon light based on the post above.

                      Actually it is also a flashlight, as the weapon light is based on the addition to the flashlight of a quick detach LEVER ring mount and an extra tail cap with the pressure pad remote switch.

                      Although at first I used the Surefire 6P host, I am now using a much thicker (inside diameter) Surefire clone that is even better in quality and material than the original project.

                      All the components I use are the best quality, the oversized battery is the best Lithium Ion in the market and produced 2 hours run time with the 350 lumens lamp.

                      And I have two lamps, (since September 2010) one is a straight 350 lumens (one level) and the other (used mostly in the flashlight) is a 5 level lamp, with 350/175/50 lumens plus strobe and SOS, this lamp will do 9 hours run time in the 50 lumens mode.

                      A charger is included with the conversion and the battery can be recharged 1,000 times, extra batteries are available.

                      The lamps are just amazing, due to a new reflector shape the throw is fantastic (making it great for hunters) at the same time the flood is still very good to clear rooms with an AR or pistol.
                      And the 350 lumens is the higher lumens obtainable in this size head.

                      No more wasting expensive 123ís batteries to feed this type of light
                      For example a Surefire 9P (pictured on left) will take three 123ís to run the P-95 lamp (200 lumens) for 20 minutes at a cost of $18 per hour.
                      The rechargeable battery will work for 2,000 hours in the 350 lumens mode before the battery is exhausted and need replacement (inexpensive replacement).

                      The lamp life is 50,000 hours, so you can do all the hunting you want or play all the war games with your AR that you want for your entire lifetime and never yet burn this lamp.

                      And the throw and brightness is just amazing, pictures with a regular camera will not do it justice, but here they are:

                      The 5 level lamp makes it more versatile when used in the flashlight, and the 350 lumens straight is great for using in the weapon light.

                      The weapon light has an all steel ring mount with quick LEVER detachment, and a pressure pad cable switch.
                      And the price for a Surefire weapon light is about $200 more than one of my rechargeable weapon light cost.
                      The light I offer is waterproof, recoil-proof, and rechargeable, as well as the better thrower in the market in this size head.
                      For more information, e-mail me at

                      Black Bear


                      • #41
                        Re: lights for law enforcement


                        Hi guys,
                        Been working like a madman for a couple of years, little time to visit or do reviews, besides I am making my own tactical light now, rechargeable and with 350 lumens. I have two lamps for the light, a 1 level 350 lumens to use as a weapon light (I supply the pressure pad switch and the mount) and another lamp with five levels.

                        In a recent revision of the circuit of the 5 level lamp, the lower setting of 50 lumens was increased in run time to 24 hours!
                        So the lamp runs 350 lumens for 2 hours 20 minutes, 175 lumens for 4 hours 20 minutes and 50 lumens for 24 hours!

                        It also has a 350 lumens strobe and a 350 lumens SOS. And all this running on a rechargeable battery.
                        I have a private, secluded place in the Adirondacks where I fly fish for trout, it is a camping proposition, and in an area noted by a great amount of Bear traffic. It must be the berry patches or another feature of the terrain, but the place seems to be a preferred haunt by black bears. And I camp by myself for two or three days or until my fishing arm falls off.

                        Over the years I have had to chase several bears out of the campsite in the dark hours of the night. For years I have been using the Driveway Patrol as an alarm system, the PIR infrared of the sensor will detect body heat/movement up to 20/30 feet away, and the alarm chime inside the tent will wake me up.
                        I usually get up and opening the tent door I shine a powerful light (a Borealis 1,150 lumens) and in a gruff voice I tell the intruder to get out.

                        It works until now, but I am well aware that one day a cross bear or a mother with cubs can give me trouble or try to make a meal out of me.
                        So the new addition of the tactical light in the 50 lumens mode, permits me to flood the campsite area with light all night long, and still have battery juice for three more nights.
                        So when the alarm awakes me, just a look out of the screen door, will let me know beforehand what I am dealing with.

                        I put the alarm sensor on a ľ ď pole and on top a piece of wood with a hole for the pole and the light secured on top. Actually I have two sets like that, so I also can see what is going on when I look out the side window.
                        Here is a picture of the set up.

                        Of course I have Bear protection with me and I also take all the necessary precautions to keep an odor free camp, to the extend of cooking my meals and storing my food and clothing with scents, 200 yards away from my sleeping quarters.

                        If somebody is interested in the tactical, rechargeable light or in the weapon light, just send me an e-mail to
                        The Driveway Patrol is available all over the net, the last time I bought it was $19.99 from same place in the net.
                        If you camp where Bears could be an issue, think about my set up, it could save you some aggravation or worst.