Hate PayPal, any other contribution options?

[paintballmagnet]

I wish to give a donation here but due to a problem I had with PP, I refuse to use it. Are there other options for sending donations to A-Web? If so, can someone e-mail me in case I forget to check back here?

[Buck]

John Adkins
c/o The VeriCom Group
10175 Fortune Pkwy.
Suite #602
Jacksonville, FL 32256

Thank you for your contribution.


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[paintballmagnet]

Got it, thanks!

[Wolf]

Originally posted by paintballmagnet:
Got it, thanks!

That will give us just enough time to erase all the bad things we've been saying about you in the Contributors forum.

[mike1]

Sheesh! I just got done erasing all of the bad things I said about you.

Mike

[Wolf]

Originally posted by mike1:
Sheesh! I just got done erasing all of the bad things I said about you.

Mike

Took us a while, there was A LOT!

[jacqueline]

Re: Hate PayPal, any other contribution options?

I hate Paypal too, and I refuse to use it. Can I use an alternative?

[ironjaw83]

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thats sad. my gf just got a job there.

[jefferson101]

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Assaultweb.net
John Adkins
c/o The VeriCom Group
10175 Fortune Pkwy.
Suite #602
Jacksonville, FL 32256


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As Buck noted, if you don't do PayPal, snail mail to this addy works just fine.

I wouldn't mail cash, but postage stamps would probably be acceptable. (I'm guessing on that part, but any business uses them. At face?......Why not, if that's your thing!) Personal checks or money orders work good too, and the board doesn't lose the 3% to Paypal, so it might be better!

[guncrazy]

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Yeah I will have to mail a contribution in b/c I refuse to use paypal especially if they are going to take a percentage of it. By the way I am strapped for cash and would like to contribute what is a good amount. I guess the FALFILES makes you pay $5 just to use the marketplace so...

[ducktail]

Re: Hate PayPal, any other contribution options?

I know this is a late post to a much earlier thread, but I understand that PP is an antigun business. Have y'all heard anything about this?

[RT]

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Yes, paypal has gone on record as anti-gun and has been known to cooperate very closely with the BATF, in fact they cooperate so much it is illegal, but then who is going to prosecute them? They do it under an understanding from the feds that they don't get prosecuted for it, and good luck getting enough proof to sue, but they do it.

there are two alternatives that have been getting off the ground, one was something like "gunpal.com" that some guys were close to getting started before I was taken away, then www.gearpay.com got started.

I think gearpay.com is the only one fully functional right now but I have not signed up for it yet. I don't want to lead the batfags to them so I keep my contacts on that end to a minimum, but I hear the people running it are legit.

[gandog56]

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Yes, paypal has gone on record as anti-gun and has been known to cooperate very closely with the BATF, in fact they cooperate so much it is illegal, but then who is going to prosecute them?

Any proof of this or you just repeating something you've heard from somebody?

[RT]

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What level of proof are you looking for? First, start by reading paypal's own rules. They went on the record as anti-gun in 2003 and it was a big part of the mass emailings they sent out.

My account and the accounts of several others were suspended in 2005 due to what they called "trading in prohibited items". Certain knives, gun parts and firearms count. At the same time, a gun shop guy I knew also got his account suspended, although we had never done business with each other on paypal. He traced his suspension to an ATF investigation against some other guy and apparently the ATF had gotten a hold of the other guy's account info and used it to force the issue on Paypal enforcing their rule against the service being used to transfer money related to firearm purchases.

Paypal is also tied in with EBAY (one bought the other out a few years ago) and you can again, go read the official ebay listing policies on guns and gun parts.

They never said outright why my account was cancelled, but they claimed it had something to do with selling a pocketknife to a minior which I think was a lie since I hardly ever sold knives.

They had apparently given some records to the BATF in my case but the court did not allow them to be used due to them being obtained without a warrant, and the items I sold on paypal were not illegal.

There was another guy in California named Steven Merenkov who was caught with some NFA items due to paypal cooperating with the BATF over some guy who was selling Glock conversion units (or partially finished Glock conversion units) from Argentina, and then the BATF was given the guy's paypal records (as this guy was not breaking Argentine law) and the BATF used those records to bully people into consenting to searches.

In Merenkov's case, a BATF agent and SWAT team showed up on his doorstep WITHOUT A WARRANT, with the paypal records and told Merenkov that if he cooperated and turned over the contraband items, he would be let go. As soon as he signed the waiver, the SWAT team trashed his house. Then he was told the waiver was not going to be a guarantee against prosecution in court no matter what the agent told him, that it was only a waiver against his right to refuse a search. They did not arrest him right away, but came back and got him a few days later. He spent something like 18 months in lockdown, with a court appointed public defender who hardly ever talked to him and was effectively being tortured by the jailers screwing around with irregularly giving him his prescription meds. The BATF never had a warrant, and their information for the ruse used against Merenkov was paypal records, which later were not even needed in court since he basically handed over the contraband on the assumption that he was immune.

Merenkov then went on to "cooperate" with the BATF in turning in other people he knew or had met through subguns.com in return for leniency in sentencing and rumor has it some limited allowance to have one or two guns under some special registration scheme, but I don't think he can just go buy guns at a shop any more. He was then quickly sold out to defendants in other cases as "the informant" in order to protect the methods and identities of how the BATF was actually getting their information and who was giving it to them.

The BATF has gone through some effort to conceal that they have been using paypal records in their investigations, but those who have gotten busted figured it out fairly quickly. Merenkov was the first I knew of to confirm the paypal connection, next was the ex-cop gun shop manager I knew. I did not see a direct reference to it in my case, but the suspension of my paypal account had been timed to when I was on a National Guard summer training event out in the field and did not have access to a computer and only had limited cell phone reception.

The guys who were informing against me in the guard unit also seemed to know a little too much about what was going on when I was having trouble getting through to paypal to find out how and why my account had been suspended at the time. These were the types who were usually pretty jealous of the money I was making and were gladly assisting in leveling false accusations against me to the point that our brigade command had to send people to our unit to inventory weapons and gear (none missing since I had gotten to the unit) just to settle out all of the false accusations about missing weapons and gear. Lo and behold, the stuff that was found to be missing from the books had come up missing shortly before I transferred into the unit and had last been seen by the very same people who were so eagerly trying to gain favor with law enforcement by informing against me.

Not only that, but I had reached into my own business inventory more than once to fix supply problems and shortages that others had caused, usually giving gear to troops who had lost it at extreme discounts, or finding it at prices a hell of a lot lower than what the government was going to charge them for losing it. I drew the line when a dozen leatherman tools had come up missing before even being issued to the troops and everyone figured out it was the former Plt SGT and two buddies had taken them and used them as gifts for friends and family. I had trouble getting the cap crimper type Leatherman tools at any price and was not going to cover the asses of those who were trying to screw me.

But on the subject of Paypal and stolen government property, there was a USMC E-6 golden boy (Made E6 by age 26) supply guy who was traced through paypal/ebay in the sale of over 50 stolen Interceptor vests, and the paypal records were being traced accross everyone who had bought and resold the vests. I was getting reports of that whole thing to the point that I wrote an article about it on savvysurivvor.com Apparently the lead agency in that was the DCIS, which is technically part of the DOD, but is a DOD civilian agency. I talked to some DCIS agents personally and directly about the situation in my interviews for the article and they were open about the fact that their main investigative tool was the records that had been provided to them by paypal.

At no point in all of my reviews of all of the related case files was there ever a copy of a court order from any court to paypal to get records. There is however, a policy that Paypal has and will admit to that they provide records ON REQUEST OF ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY. The internal lawyers at paypal decide whether they will approve or deny the request and then send the information out. They may be refusing some requests if they consider the requests to be too broad or obscure and will provide a response which includes the types and manner of information they are in a position to provide. I understand they will actually staff in-house liasons with certain agencies from time to time, but are not going to go majorly out of their way to help every podunk police department to audit every account of every ex-convict selling power tools that they think might be stolen.

Locally, I had this discussion with a pawn shop owner who claimed to be very close to Portland PD (probably a reserve officer of some type, and of course regular informant either way). He said that the level of cooperation between Paypal/Ebay and Portland PD was not enough to guarantee that the items being traded back and forth were not stolen, meaning that paypal/ebay were not going to require certain actions asked by the law enforcement community in recording merchandise and transactions. I know in North Bend Oregon there had been a request for disclosure on anyone buying or selling precious gems and or gold or silver bullion, to or from their jurisdiction and it was flatly refused.

[HBomed]

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According to the swine that somehow are the chosen few who may dictate the policy's of freedom, the accumulated technology which shapes everyone's 'freedom', is controlled by a mega oppressive group who somehow want to abscond any resistance to their totalitarian authority. We are all determined to be equal by the civil rights act of 1964, and the auspices of the new world order Federal government has determined that we are more equal if we are not allowed to possess fire arms. According to their doctrine, the cows are less competitive if they all have no 'hardware' of dissent. Obviously, the arsenal of the American Empire from Washington DC is technically divorced from the pentagon, resulting in a world that is impugned and threatened by american military devastation, and yet funded by a legislative body that renounces any populace that bares arms.