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    Just heard about the terrorist attack in Sidney...good luck.
    karl
    Karl

    http://grrrscave.blogspot.com/

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    Re: Just heard

    I see that the PC types have got you fellas in their coils as they have us.
    I just cannot see how ONE sob CAN take a cafe full of Aussies hostages.
    The ole fellas I knew would have charged him..he may have gotten one or two but they would have stomped him into paste and ordered another beer.

    That is NOT to say the the present crop of PC type in the USA would not have reacted as the the people in Oz did yesterday. We are PC too.

    karl
    Karl

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    • #3
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      Well - I expect the Feds will now have another round of oppression and confiscations of registered and licenced sporting firearms to boost public confidence kARL!

      [The Port Arthur Massacre in 1996 was also a lone-wolf exploit by a deranged and un-licenced individual - but that didn't stop our brave PM Howard's "Buy-Back" and swingeing bans and nasty social victimisation].

      But 'Islam - the religion of peace'.......to the rescue? We can only hope multi-culturalism can hide a wide variety of crimes...... hopefully this one too and we may get off the usual group-punishment?

      The Full Report will (reportedly) be out in Feb 2015 for public perusal.

      I bet the cops shot some of them going in mob-handed like that...

      But how did he get a firearm anyway especially when we have such 'tough new national gun-laws' = a 'safer Australia'-

      [ Hey - what a surprise, we told them at the time that Howard in 1996 and 2003 was barking up the wrong tree in persecuting us LAFOs for something we didn't do !]

      Go figure....

      BB
      There is no Spring without Winter, without Mistakes there is no Learning. There is no Life without Death, without Doubts there is no Faith. There is no Peace without War, without Fear there is no Courage. For without Mistakes, Doubts and Fears there are no pathways to Wisdom.
      Ron Owen.

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      • #4
        Re: Just heard

        I was thinking that the cops may have hit some of the wrong folk as well.
        Still
        We have that type here..sue the guy who made the lawful gun or who lawfully sold it....
        funny we say how evil the commies or nazis or ISIS is for their practice of group punishment and yet we do the same here.

        karl
        Karl

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        • #5
          Re: Just heard- +cogent comment from WA in Australia

          A Western Australian's LAFO view of the Sydney Siege:-

          Doug From: Perth, WA Date: 18-Dec-2014 Comment: So tell me why somehow a radical, Islam-inspired fruitcake suddenly ignites a potential debate on Australian ownership of firearms? Here we have the loony raving Socialist GCA opportunistically grabbing the Sydney event in turn to proselytize their own disarmament agenda for politico-philosophical reasons, riding on John Howard & his radical or even pathological views on guns largely instilled by his wife. Howard is no specialist or expert on firearms but is treated as the go-to man as soon as any debate arises. While I'm in favour of CCW laws philosophically, I don't think Australia is ready for this. The US & other countries in this regard might be regarded as more mature in this respect, rather than less so which is more commonly the case. I have no position on this view, BTW. Back to the issue, if Monis had just entered the cafe with a backpack or belt which he threatened contained explosives, he would be an Islamic terrorist bomber, not a crazed gunman that once again law-abiding firearm-owners (LAFOs) have to bear the cross for. Right now I'm fizzing mad! Leyonhjelm's proposal is loony, even though I'm in favour of CCW but have a specific secure design in mind that he has not comtemplated but has just shot his mouth off on. Further, his timing on this is impeccably bad & has for all the wrong reasons drawn attention to LAF ownership once again.
          There is no Spring without Winter, without Mistakes there is no Learning. There is no Life without Death, without Doubts there is no Faith. There is no Peace without War, without Fear there is no Courage. For without Mistakes, Doubts and Fears there are no pathways to Wisdom.
          Ron Owen.

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          • #6
            Re: Just heard

            BB

            The gun control swine will use any event ..reason has nothing to do with it.
            They are the foe of all free men and this is their world goal.
            If Christ himself returned to Earth and said every free person has a right to self defense and the means to enforce that right, a gun...they would try and crucify him again.

            No on second view, the maggots are more sophisticated, they would "restrain" him for his own good and "Treat" him till he came around ...or they would try to.

            karl
            Karl

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            • #7
              Re: Just heard

              I bet we never get a full enquiry over the Martin Plaza/Lindt Café raid.

              These are the cogent questions raised by Doug from WA in 'Firearms Forum' in Oz. [ I agree completely]:-


              Re: Martin Place Siege, I wrote elsewhere that it will be really interesting to see how the Police Inquiry goes down. There are SO many questions that have arisen in my mind.

              None of the following is intended to excuse Monis for his actions, intended
              or otherwise, or to necessarily criticize police and others for how the
              "siege" was handled. But looking at things remotely and dispassionately:

              1. What firearm was Monis using? If it was a sawn-off double, he might have been rather pressed to get more than 2 shots off in all the fray after the first shot (ostensibly) initiated police entry. If it was a pump-action then he possibly had 4-5 shots available to him depending on whether he had one in the chamber to start with.

              2. Given that Tori(manager of Café) was shot in the first discharge, it may well have been by accident as he attempted to wrest the gun off Monis. So who did Monis aim a second shot at, if at all? In every account I have read, it has not been possible to get an accurate count of his shots, but if one allocates them as one round to each injured person in sequence as follows: Tori(killed), Katrina(female lawyer- killed) plus the Policeman(cheek grazed), so we get only 3 shots fired by him. If the policeman was hit by "overspray" from the second shot (it can't have been the first shot, as no police were in the café at that time), that makes only 2 shots fired.

              a) Katrina was shot fatally but it remains unclear by whom, as I have not
              heard of any reference to her wounds or anyone seeing Monis shoot her.

              b)A policeman was reported to have suffered a pellet wound to the face.

              Was this the result of a shot intended for him, or scatter or ricochet from a
              shot intended for someone else -or from a police gun?

              c) Given the foregoing, is it at all possible that Tori's actions, while
              understandable, may have been misguided and actually initiated the first
              shot accidentally, and therefore the police entry and subsequent general
              discharge of multiple rounds from multiple arms, so much so that one police team had to withdraw as they were in the line of fire of their mates on the other side?

              We tend to make heroes of people who die in defensive
              situations, and while it will not be fashionable to be critical, an
              objective study will require this.

              d) How many shotgun cases have been found at the scene?

              e) What weight loads was Monis using? This would give a good indication of range and lethality and possibly even his intent.

              f) a careful forensic study of the whole place should virtually recover
              every pellet fired from Monis gun, mush easier if he was using a heavy load.From the pellet diameters it is possible to determine number of pellets per case (i.e SSG = No 1 Buck = x9 .32 cal pellets, BB = 90 pellets,
              etc).

              3. It must be borne in mind that despite all his bluster and bravado and
              agitation, Monis may not have intended to kill anyone: His last words "look
              what you made me do" are either an attempt to shift blame- but may also be a genuine cry of regret and horror, as his original plan unravelled due to what he saw as external influences.

              4. A number of other people, at least 5, received gunshot and other wounds.
              It seems apparent that these were not shotgun pellet wounds; with a bunch of 0.40 S&W and 9mm rounds being fired from handguns and / or MP3's or similar, how many injuries were direct hits and how many were ricochets? Every shot will have to be traced back to the point of discharge in the investigation- [BB -or will it?]

              5. There seems little doubt that the police, who might train in simulations
              for these sorts of events but have not been exposed to real situations, will
              have a lot to learn something from this and what NOT to do next time.
              It's always pretty tough in a firefight, especially with flash-bangs going off and multiple weapons discharges, and at night, with ricochets off hard stone and other surfaces, to know who is shooting at whom.

              I will be very interested to see how the police handle this in the great
              wash-up.
              There is no doubt and it is human nature that even with the best of intentions the Cops will present themselves in the best possible light, and
              we need to be concerned that this may cloud the reality of exactly what
              happened, who shot whom and who were the real heroes, if any, and who were the victims of a tragedy, either out of events gone pear-shaped, or possibly misguided emotional reaction and the sense of "needing to do something" to what was interpreted as a deteriorating situation after the first shot from inside the Cafe.

              Watch this space!

              [MOD:I bet we never get a full enquiry(as in PAM too) and the whole matter is hushed up with a 20yr moratorium on viewing "to stop survivor trauma" or some other such ruse..... but I don't think without Mrs Howard the Anti-gunnas will get much out of this one, thankfully. Sandy Hook this is not....]
              There is no Spring without Winter, without Mistakes there is no Learning. There is no Life without Death, without Doubts there is no Faith. There is no Peace without War, without Fear there is no Courage. For without Mistakes, Doubts and Fears there are no pathways to Wisdom.
              Ron Owen.

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