Need info on suppressors, if you please.

[paintballmagnet]

The legalities I understand, what I'd like to know is if its possible to use one suppressor on multi calibers? Say like 9mm Para and 22 rimfire? Who makes a good one? Easy to maintain, yada yada? The only ones I've had dealings with were 30 years ago, rubber belt wipers, steel wool packing, not very efficient and had to be reworked quite often. I haven't even looked at pricing, I imagine I'll have a bit of sticker shock, those 200 dollar items long gone.

[CMV]

Re: Need info on suppressors, if you please.

You can legally use a suppressor on any caliber that it will safely pass, regardless of what it was intended for.

If you're making on a form-1 you can't call it a .22 & put a .560 bore in it to handle anything up to .50 cal. You can't call it 'multi' caliber either (and I think that is the same for an 07/02 manufacturer). But if you want to take a .308 can & put it on a 10/22, there's no legal reason you can't (assuming you are legal to posses the suppressor in the first place).

Here's the problem you'll run into with different calibers. It will be good for one & only marginal on the other for the most part. One of my .22 cans is Hollywood quiet on a 4.5" pistol but only decent on an 18" rifle so pressure differences that small can affect performance with some designs.

The bore on a 9mm is going to be in the neighborhood of .405". Plus/minus some depending on manufacturer. A .22LR can is going to be around .265". So there's a big difference there & you can see that just the overly large bore of the 9mm can is going to have an effect on performance with a .22. But it will "work" and be safe - just don't expect Hollywood out of the .22 doing it that way.

What you DON'T want to do is take a 9mm pistol can & put it on a .308 rifle. The bullet will pass just fine, but the can won't hold up to the pressure. OR put a .22 rimfire can on a .223 - same thing & it would most likely grenade in short order.

But it depends on what you want & what kind of performance you expect. I make mine on form-1's and each caliber gets its own. I intend the silencer to go on a specific host & design for that one purpose. I want to get the best possible performance out of that one application and don't want to sacrifice anything to go the 'jack of all trades' route.

There's a lot to be said for a Hollywood quiet rimfire. That's an excellent starting point. Tons of good ones out there - AAC Element, SilencerCo Sparrow, Liberty Essence, etc.

[RT]

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Yes, there are people who make 9mm suppressors then stick them on .22lr and .223 firearms. It is less effective, but it will reduce noise.

I think SIG now has one where the suppressor is threaded at the front, kind of a reverse internal setup, and then you can get attachments that go on the front of the suppressor, like a brake or flash hider. It seems stupid, except that those attachments are not considered part of the suppressor and they can have a smaller diameter hole.

Same goes for the back end of the suppressor, so if they make one which is .45 cal, you get one suppressor body, but by swapping stuff at the front and rear, you can have different attachment systems, that recoil increasing device to work on some pistols which need it, and attachments on the front with a reduced diameter opening which will have the side effect of reducing noise when used in calibers below .45.

[zakarop]

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Youtube has some clips up showing suppressors being used for other calibers. You can get an idea how a 9mm will sound in a 45 or a 40 in a 45 ect. Have one of the SWD suppressors made for the MAC 11 380 that I have used a lot on the end of a America 180. Worked pretty well for what it was.

[Artful]

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Depending upon the suppressor design it can be quite effective on sub calibers shot thru it
AAC Ti-rant in 45 caliber works very well on 9mm (with subsonic ammo) or 22LR (with subsonic ammo)

I use a AAC 30 cal cyclone on my 243 and 223 rifles and it makes a deeper tone and suppression is pretty close to my 223 can (on the 223) - you need to find a dealer in your area and ask for a demonstration of them.

IMHO you can get by for noise suppression with just the two can's mentioned above but I would always counsel to get a good dedicated 22LR suppressor that's cleanable.

good sources for information
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/

http://nfatalk.org/forum/

[paintballmagnet]

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Are there any weapons known for functioning issues with a can installed? I'm thinking I'd like to do a 9mm and possibly a 22.

[CMV]

Re: Need info on suppressors, if you please.

Yes & no. Depends on design of the host. A fixed barrel, just put it on there & it will work & cycle. Ruger 22/45, Makarov, PPK for example.

But anything with a tilting barrel (most modern autoloaders) will need a recoil booster. This is so the firearm can return to battery with that extra weight hanging from the end of the barrel. There are a few exceptions - Beretta 92's for example will typically cycle reliably with a light weight suppressor and no recoil booster. That's why I had such high hopes (followed by major disappointment) with the Remington R51.

THEN there's the issue with a recoil booster on a fixed barrel. You wouldn't want to take a 9mm suppressor with a recoil booster and put it on something like a Beretta CX4 Storm carbine. It will have a hammering effect & ruin the threads.

So beyond calibers you need to think specific hosts.

[Reasonable Rascal]

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According to Gunkid the suppressed Jennings .22 is as reliable as it gets.

RR

[Ghoulardi]

According to Gunkid the suppressed Jennings .22 is as reliable as it gets.

that and a assault wheelbarrow, a "debarked" Chihuahua as an alarm system.

[AKAce]

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Has anyone here tried making a suppresor for a Luty SMG?

[Sturmgewehr44]

Re: Need info on suppressors, if you please.

Do you guys really know dealers that will demonstrate cans? I just must be far enough out in the sticks that it isn't normal around here.

[CMV]

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Dealers around here do demos. Most are by invite or organized gatherings. I doubt they just whip everything out for every Joe who walks in & expresses interest. They use their dedicated demo cans though - may not be the specific make & model you want.

A friend of a friend is one of our local dealers. I know him from being in the shop & buying a few things, but not real well. He's a family friend of my friend. I really want to ask to take my form-1 suppressors out to one of his demos to see how they compare side by side with commercial cans. But I don't know if that would be poor taste asking to tag along just to compare my stuff to his... A few I have had the opportunity - one of my rimfire builds I got to shoot alongside a SiencerCo Sparrow & I actually liked mine better for noticeably less FRP. The aforementioned friend recently got a Liberty Freedom & I've shot my .308 alongside it. It's a little better on 300BLK than mine but mine is close. However his is smaller overall and lighter so the Liberty really wins compared to my form-1 build.