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  • Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

    I really like .308 (7.62x51) bolt action milsurp guns in their "as issued" state. Some of my favorites are:

    Isreali mauser
    Ishapore enfield
    Spanish FR-8
    Spanish 1916
    MAS 36

    I know the last one isn't "as issued" anymore once that caliber conversion takes place, but I still like the butt ugly things.

    Are there any other issued bolt action milsurp rifles I didn't list? What do you think of the ones I listed?
    Last edited by ISC; March 10, 2013, 13:24.

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    Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

    I like the MAS 36.
    It is strange looking, but once you fix the trigger and perhaps the rear sight, it shoots very well.

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      The MAS 36 was chambered in 7.5mm.
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        Century put one out in 308.
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          Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

          The only ones I have are the Ishy Enfield and a couple of 12-61 Chilean Mausers. But I likes all of those.

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            Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

            My MAS 36 is in .308 and has the SKS type safety on it. Century didn't put a whole lot of care into these when they re-chambered them from 7.5x54.

            I had a couple of the 49/56 rifles that Century botched in the 90s. The 36 has alot fewer parts to malfunction. The 36 also has the same magazine capacity (10 rounds) as the 49/56.

            I've seen nice jungle carbine lookalikes made from .308 Ishapores.

            The FR8 is my favorite of all of them though. Every part of it is utilitarian. I think a larger ammunition capacity would be a plus Ifit took CETME magazines I'd be very pleased.

            The one I feel the most drawn to is a Israeli mauser in .308. If you look closely you can see the defaced waffenamps the Star of David is much easier to see.
            Last edited by ISC; March 11, 2013, 23:36.

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              Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

              Israeli Mauser all the way for me
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                I really like my 1916 Guardia Civil Spanish Mauser in 7.62x51mm.
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                  Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

                  Many of the Chilean Mausers in 7.62 NATO are Israeli marked with the star of David.
                  I wonder if they are safe to shoot.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

                    The Chileans are large ring mausers, they're plenty strong enough for 7.62x51/.308.

                    I'd be a little hesitant to fire a hot commercial or handloaded .308 round in a 1916 though. They're small ring mausers IIRC.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

                      On the 1916's I am pretty sure they can handle some modern commercial loads. Mainly the Managed recoil types. I would never shoot Nato types. The orginal 7mm were said to be just fine to shoot. I can safely say that is not true 100% My buddies detonated on him. Lots of fragments in the face and arm from that one. gun was totalled!

                      Thing with these small rings is the metalurgy was iffy and they are just plain old......

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                      • #12
                        Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

                        I saw an 1895 Chilean Mauser that had been converted to .308 last spring at a gun show. Are they safe to shoot?

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                          Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

                          The 1895s are small ring mausers originally chambered for 7x57. The general consensus is that small ring mausers are relatively safe to shoot with standard 7.62x51 NATO ammo, but that hot reloads or commercial .308 win ammo should be avoided. 7.62 x51 is loaded to lower max pressures than .308 win. Other than that, they are dimensionally identical.

                          Of greater concern to me than the 1895's action strength is the way that the conversions were done. This is an excellent write up on it:
                          http://dutchman.rebooty.com/1895Chile.html

                          Be especially careful to never load a 7.62x51 round in a 7x57 gun. It will fit, and fire, maybe more than once, but it will blow up in your face and the small ring mausers don't have a gas vent.

                          The Chilean 1912s are large ring VZ24 type mausers and can handle any commercially available .308., the two shouldn't be confused. They were converted using set back surplus US 1903A3 barrels in the 60s.

                          I wouldn't shoot a .308 1895 Chilean much if at all unless I was using reduced load rounds or had it rebarrelled with a better conversion barrel.

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                            Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

                            There is very little difference in pressure between .308 and 7.62x51. SAMMI doesn't consider it an issue. The confusion comes from the different measuring units, CUP vs. PSI. There is no way to convert one from the other. This is partially due to the, still to this day, impreciseness of the measurements. Anyway, the max pressure allowed in 7.62x51 is around 52,000 CUP while the max pressure in .308 is around 62,000
                            PSI. Keeping an open mind, peruse the Hodgdon annual Reloading Manual. In it, you'll see similar velocities with similar powders with big differences in pressure. But note that this is the difference between CUP and PSI. Now, in the Hodgdon manual, they have a top load of 45 grains of Varget generating 48,600 CUP. In the Lyman 48th edition they show 45.2 grains of Varget with 59,300 PSI. In both instances the bullet is Sierra's 175 gr. JHPBT.
                            SAMMI spec. on 7x57 is 46,000 CUP due to the " large number of rifles in circulationbuilt upon the older M93 and M95 style actions", according to Lyman 48th Edition. It's possible that the 93's and 95's were converted with the CETME round in mind, which operates under milder pressures than the .308 or 7.62x51.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Favorite .308 milsurp bolt action

                              i really like my spanish fr8

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