Buckshot or Birdshot for defense???

[jefferson101]

Re: Buckshot or Birdshot for defense???

Where did you find 20ga number 4 buck? I've seen just number 2's and 3's in 20's..

Dude! I know you reload.

So why haven't you figured out that you can roll your own Shotgun Shells, and put anything you want to into them?



Yeah. It's 20ga. so keep the load down to about 7/8 ounce, and you are good to go, right?

[paintballmagnet]

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Where did you find 20ga number 4 buck? I've seen just number 2's and 3's in 20's..

[Cougar]

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I have both the 12ga and the 20ga home-defense shotguns stoked with 4B (4Buck).

[paintballmagnet]

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Sounds like you're ready. I've got an old Winchester 1200 I got for 100 bucks, added an extended plus two mag tube and cut the barrel to 18.5", If it were lost or stolen, I can handle losing $150, I have more than that in my 18.5" Rem Choked 870 barrel alone! depending on my mood, I'll go from number one's to oughts to double and triple oughts with a slug or two thrown in for good measure.

[ISC]

Re: Buckshot or Birdshot for defense???

I keep 00 buck in my home defense 12 Ga. It's a Remington 870 that I shortened the barrel to 18" and installed a sidefolding stock, firesights, and a bright LED flashlight on. The stock holds 3 additional rounds, they're slugs.

[TC6969]

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My thing is this...IF that birdshot does NOT do the job and some jacked up thug gains the upper hand, whats the lesser of two concerns, him or them killing everyone in the house or a load of buckshot going through a wall? No right answer here, I'm lucky to have no kids to worry about, so the potential for buckshot to overpenetrate doesn't concern me.

Dont forget the rug!

[paintballmagnet]

Re: Buckshot or Birdshot for defense???

My thing is this...IF that birdshot does NOT do the job and some jacked up thug gains the upper hand, whats the lesser of two concerns, him or them killing everyone in the house or a load of buckshot going through a wall? No right answer here, I'm lucky to have no kids to worry about, so the potential for buckshot to overpenetrate doesn't concern me.

[Miami_JBT]

Re: Buckshot or Birdshot for defense???

Birdshot is for cute little birdies that weigh in at a pound and buckshot is for large game that weigh in at 200lbs+.

What has a greater chance of breaking into your house and causing mortal A dove or a human?

[TC6969]

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All you psychics who somehow know exactly how a violent encounter is going to go down can simply arrange your schedule so as to not be there when it happens!

So you really don't need a gun at all!

[paintballmagnet]

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A 20 ga double barrel might be Ok if you can guarantee no more than two perps and also guarantee not missing with either shot. I prefer hedging my bet with a seven or eight shot pump. Also how can anything that will not penetrate typical drywall construction be 100% certain to penetrate whatever the guy happens to be wearing plus muscle and/or fat layers and cause enough damage to put the guy down? I don't think there is a definitive answer, we all have to arm ourselves as we think is best.

[Sarge]

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I thought I had responded to this, but maby (?) it was put up on another board???
Are you guys giving any thought to the actual distance an engagement in your house would be?
Also are you thinking only of yourself as the defender or have you considered that it might be your wife or 13 yr old daughter doing the defending???
It is 35' from my bedroom door to my front door, half of which is hallway.
Wheter me or the above mentioned alternates for this distance the best "Shotgun" to use is a 20 ga double bbl with the bbls cut off to ½" Over legal minimum. In that 20 ga I would use #5, maby #4 field loads - some call it "low brass."
Given the example of the king kong size individual I would guarentee that he would NOT get down the hallway to the bedroom door, so he had to be shot twice (Maby), BFD!!! I also would not be worried about my neighbor getting shot up thru 3 or 4 walls.
If you aimed high center of mass he would get enuf in the face to blind him and enuf in the throat to kill him!
Whoever might be the home defender should take this shotgun out and practice with it so they can hit this target 100% of the time - AND a 20 ga will Not scare most women or kids to death when they shoot it.
Sarge

[jefferson101]

Re: Buckshot or Birdshot for defense???

Completely apart from anything else, I figure that even a 3.5" magnum Turkey Load of #2 or #4 shot is less than 50% likely to kill someone.

It will probably mess them up pretty well though. Then, after the ambulance comes and hauls him off, he sues you.



The odds of getting that outcome are greatly reduced with 00 Buck.

[CAMPYBOB]

Re: Buckshot or Birdshot for defense???

00 buckshot.

.45 ACP.

[BruceNRALife]

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I'll admit it, I play "What if?" in my mind like everyone else, but I prefer to do it from the top down.

What If, I'm confronted by a 6'5" 300lb career criminal who has been body building in prison everyday for 10 years and is hard as a rock all over?

And what if its winter and he's wearing 3 flannel shirts and a sweatshirt under a full thickness cowhide biker jacket?

And what if I only get one center mass shot and I have a dove load chambered up?

Its small comfort to know that at least you saved the coffee table when you have a 12 gauge shoved up your ass!

Hahaha! That was a good one! And true also.

[TC6969]

Re: Buckshot or Birdshot for defense???

I'll admit it, I play "What if?" in my mind like everyone else, but I prefer to do it from the top down.

What If, I'm confronted by a 6'5" 300lb career criminal who has been body building in prison everyday for 10 years and is hard as a rock all over?

And what if its winter and he's wearing 3 flannel shirts and a sweatshirt under a full thickness cowhide biker jacket?

And what if I only get one center mass shot and I have a dove load chambered up?

Its small comfort to know that at least you saved the coffee table when you have a 12 gauge shoved up your ass!