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    These are some thoughts that I was having tonight as I was coming home from my Grandmother's 80th birthday party.
    We were all sitting around talking about the old days (you know the old days when your grandparents were kids and they had to walk to school naked in a bad snow storm or they made it sound that bad). Anyway, they were talking about stuff and were saying if some of the things that happened in the old day, happened today, people would have gotten arested and thrown in jail. But back then it was no big deal.
    So that got me thinking about today's society and the way things are now. It seems now that we have many, many more rule and laws that govern us to the point of oppression. Do you all think that some day in our life time that all this will come to a boiling point and explode into a revolution, where people will just say they have had enough! Or will people just go on living while more rules and laws are heaped on to them and say it's for their own good?
    Just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on this. It seems that most people just go on about there lives and don't pay attention to what is going on around them. Just my random thought for the day.

    [ 11. December 2002, 23:41: Message edited by: Rebecca ]

  • #2
    Nope. You're being slow boiled. The people want to be governed and things done for them. Just like the Russians. They played with democracy and now they want Communism back. They can't handle a little struggle for a chance at freedom. Same with us. We can't deal with it; lifes variables, so we get the .gov to do it for us.

    "The cost of Freedom ...is the loss thereof."

    [This message has been edited by Fal-fan (edited 17 November 2002).]

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    • #3
      Our biggest problem is that most of the people on this board and those like it are the ones that in the past would have been forging into the frontiers. Bringing civilization with us even as we try to out run it. We are the explorers and homesteaders of earlier years without a frontier. We are the ones that through out history lived on the edge of civilization or pushed beyond to see what was there.

      If they announced tonight that they have discovered a planet that would support life and were looking for 1000 volunteers to colonize it. You and your ship mates will be on your own once you lift off. Due to the range, travel time and the resources required it is a one shot deal. You will be allowed 100lbs of personal effects plus the ship will carry supplies to start gardens once you arrive. All affairs concerning the colony will be the responsibility of the colonists.

      Would you volunteer?

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      • #4
        Kadric, that is honestly worth some serious thought.

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        • #5
          Lugwig von Mises, in his monumental econ book "Human Action", said it thus... "All governments are popular", meaning that they are not necessarily liked, but accepted by the population in general.

          My corollary to vonMises' statement is this:

          That the job of those IN power is..to keep the cost of revolt against their rule higher than the cost of living under it. IF at any time, the people perceive that the cost of revolt has become less..there WILL BE a revolt. Ergo..gun control, travel restrictions, high taxes, welfare...wh is nothing but buying obedience to .gov. All these are designed to keep the cost of revolt high...

          rant off..



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          • #6
            forget it...

            it's long gone...

            technology has changed it all...

            the government can monitor hundreds of millions of us with some hardware ran by a few people...

            they have the toys and techno goodies to do all and see all...and the worst part is they have are endless supply of sheeeple tax-bucks$$$ to do it with...

            isolation and or privacy without extreme circumstances will be nearly extinct soon...

            capitulation is a given, police state mentality is accepted by the populace and enjoyed by the empowered...

            criticism of abuse, big gov. intrusion is questioned and ridiculed...and defended by the current traitor, holders of high and mighty status as they masquerade themselves as part of us...

            wasn't it will rogers who said our freedom are never safe when congress is in session...i think it was...

            but it's not just congress its your local city council to the feds...
            every day more laws, more restrictions, more hassle and more distance between people and the sitting royalty and their servants...

            and more blind acceptance of such by the sheeple...

            face it there is no going back...just move forward as cautiously as possibly...


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            • #7
              <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kadric:
              Our biggest problem is that most of the people on this board and those like it are the ones that in the past would have been forging into the frontiers. Bringing civilization with us even as we try to out run it. We are the explorers and homesteaders of earlier years without a frontier. We are the ones that through out history lived on the edge of civilization or pushed beyond to see what was there.

              If they announced tonight that they have discovered a planet that would support life and were looking for 1000 volunteers to colonize it. You and your ship mates will be on your own once you lift off. Due to the range, travel time and the resources required it is a one shot deal. You will be allowed 100lbs of personal effects plus the ship will carry supplies to start gardens once you arrive. All affairs concerning the colony will be the responsibility of the colonists.

              Would you volunteer?
              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Hmm Interesting thought. Why not. What is the worst that could happen. Me die and go to my maker forever.

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              • #8
                Kadric, where do I sign up?


                About a revolution in America.... where do I sign up?

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                • #9
                  <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kadric:
                  Our biggest problem is that most of the people on this board and those like it are the ones that in the past would have been forging into the frontiers. Bringing civilization with us even as we try to out run it. We are the explorers and homesteaders of earlier years without a frontier. We are the ones that through out history lived on the edge of civilization or pushed beyond to see what was there.

                  If they announced tonight that they have discovered a planet that would support life and were looking for 1000 volunteers to colonize it. You and your ship mates will be on your own once you lift off. Due to the range, travel time and the resources required it is a one shot deal. You will be allowed 100lbs of personal effects plus the ship will carry supplies to start gardens once you arrive. All affairs concerning the colony will be the responsibility of the colonists.

                  Would you volunteer?
                  <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Any patriot would.

                  This situation you describe is what drove good people out of Europe, and western civilisation into North America.

                  Eventually Europe fell to either communism or fascism, and later to gerneralized creeping socialism.

                  The kind of person who will drop the comforts of tyranny to be free is the kind of person who contrbutes in a society that forms a nation such as ours.

                  And it was the American G.I. that saved the world in the 20th century.

                  Your post rings a bell in my head because at times it seems that the only way to escape they leviathan, and the mass stupidity that feeds it, is to get beamed up.

                  But that is the problem.

                  Imagine if there was no North America to run to. Then the type of people who were "sick of it" in Europe would have had to stay and resist.

                  Would there have been a Soviet revolution then? A fascist regime?

                  Europe is a product of what happens when the smart people leave. The brits and Aussies lost their self defense rights after some high-profile incidents. We were supposed to after Columbine, but this is the land of people who will face danger just to be free, and now there is nowhere to run.

                  And tyranny is a function of limited resource. Europe was not in good shape by the time 1492 was rang in. The ressources where not there. But then came two continents to exploit.

                  And we still see it today. What are the states that have subdivisions going up everywhere and share the "everybody and their brother come here" status?
                  The ones that lack state income taxes, strict gun laws, lack strict land use laws, and are least socialist.

                  So it is not enough to come to the USA anymore, you have to find that right spot.

                  A folly, I call it, as the people who take teh arrows make the land safe for the kind of people who show up later on and screw everything up. When the last frontier was settled, as you can see in history, the stupidity started up again. Because the kind of person who can't handle it will screw it up for the rest of us.

                  So we can go to that imaginary planet as you describe. But that idea is sour to me because I imagine that same planet becoming a mess 230 years later, the last 40 of that being after the same kind of socialist experiments done here.

                  And would a new planet be needed?

                  How far do you have to go to escape tyranny and the human stupidity that causes it?

                  If Warp Drive was being invented next door, I would go over there and detroy it, and kill the scientists working on it.

                  Why?

                  Because the human race will not get it's crap together until we reach the day when we can't escape from tyranny, and are thus forced to destroy it. We can go to the stars and repeat the same crap in 230-year cycles. From dicovery to colonilaism to freedom; then the same arseholes who screwed Earth up will start showing up on the next "shuttle", and the process repeats.
                  There is a reason why every sci-story that can be related to this sci-fi answer depicts a one-world socialist government in control.

                  Half of the people in this nation are descended from those who wanted liberty, the other half come from immigrants who just want TV and air conditioning and "don't want to be bothered". Attitudes are, to a certain point as influenced by environment, inherited.

                  Who want's a space-faring race that is motivated only by escaping it's own stupidity? We will not survive such an age.

                  So the day must come when nobody can escape, and there is a final showdown between liberty and bondage. As people will tolerate evil when fighting it is expensive, they will always take the escape route.

                  Let's hope that planet is never discovered, or that the ability to reach it is never invented.

                  Nobody escapes.

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                  • #10
                    I agree that we are being boiled slowly, but something to keep in mind is that, yes, today you would be arrested for things that folks 60 years ago did without thinking, but by the same token, things that we do today would have gotten you arrested then. One of my Dad's cousins was arrested (yes, arrested) for wearing a topless bathing suit at a public pool in the 1920's... this is a GUY, folks! Woodrow Wilson was having people arrested for speaking ANY questions against his war in Europe as being Anti-American and treasonous. Good Ol' Earl Warren, as Attorney General for the State of California, told Congress that the reason the Japanese-Americans had to be interned was that they were planning something big, and the reason he knew they were planning something BIG was that they hadn't done ANYTHING yet. Hmmm. Some things DO change, but there is always some pin head out there who wants you to do it his way, or suffer the consequences. And there is usually an alterior motive.

                    If you up the ante to 200 lbs of junk, I'm in! (Ammo is heavy...)

                    LD

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                    • #11
                      One can only hope. I believe there would be one already except for the fact that all the revolutionay minded people can't agree to get it on yet, or what the cause should be.

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                      • #12
                        Revolution in our time? I don't think so. Cetainly not in my time, though some of you are younger than I.

                        A point I've often made is that all governments and all civilizations fall, and the more entrenched the government or civilization, the harder the fall.

                        Our government is pretty firmly entrenched and is getting more so every day. But it is no more immune to revolution than the French or British were. At some point, people will rise up and throw off whatever chains they feel are binding them. The final reason for the conflict may be something we don't even consider worth worrying about today.

                        Revolution will come- eventually. When it does, the French method of dealing with their aristocracy will pale in comparison.

                        Look on the bright side though; it'll certainly make a dent in the population explosion!

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                        • #13
                          Sadly, the idea of armed revolution was decisevly taken care of during the war of Northern Agression. Even though it is a Constitutional right to revolt, I doubt that it will or would happen. However, what I can see happening is people of like mind, i.e. the posters of this and other forums, moving to a location with in the US of A and "taking" it over. That is, becoming the majority. I know the Free State Project has dicussed this and popular writer William W. Johnstone has addressed it in his "Ashes" series. Those who live in large cities where the Gov't "provides" all will gladly surrender any weapons they have for "security." Look at CA and how they just voted. The heavy population areas the depend and "need" gov't guidance voted 4 more years of democrat intrusion into our lives. It is only a matter of time in CA before they start confiscating weapons, sadly after 26 years of military service and an honorable discharge I will then become a felon, unless of course I have made my break to AK!

                          Yours in Freedom



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                          • #14
                            I am one of the old cronies here, but certainly not the oldest, I remember my buddy and I riding our bikes across town to the dump, with .22's across the handlebars, to go and shoot rats or whatever. No one ever blinked an eye. Try doing it now, and you will see how many police cars your local dept. has, because they will all converge on you, with lights sirens, and pistols drawn!

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                            • #15
                              I would like to include the one missing ingredient into the pot of revolution that has always been required down through histories list of revolutions........... "A LEADER" ..
                              There has never been a mass uprising of a group of people on thier own. Any revolt has always had a leader or leaders. Until there is a leader or a group of leaders willing to stir the pot and help in a direction that the willing are behind, there will never be more than the occasional spark of revolution that will always be known as an event perpetrated by a madman......or a lunatic,...or a gun nut,...or a religous fanatic,...or a militant,....The list is long.

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