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Old November 17th, 2003, 12:32 PM
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I know that the Ithaca 37 is, and the Remington 870 isn't. How about the Winchester 12 and 97? Mossberg 590? Benelli, etc?
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Old November 17th, 2003, 01:22 PM
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The Winchester Model 12 & 97 will slam fire!
Thanks to "lawyer Proofing? no other shotguns will slam fire, not even the repro Mod 12s that came out a few years ago!

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Old November 18th, 2003, 01:11 PM
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I see that the reproduction 1897s made in China have no disconnector. (Gun Tests Magazine)
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Old November 18th, 2003, 05:14 PM
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I have an older 870 Wingmaster that does. I shoot trap with it. The lack of the disconncetyor makes it alot easier to shoot doubles.
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Old November 18th, 2003, 05:27 PM
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Thanks for the replies. Why don't more guys use either the Ithaca 37 or Winchester 12 to build up all-out combat shotguns? Everything these days is either Remington 870 or Mossberg 590. It seems as if the slam-fire capability would be a huge benefit in a high stress situation. One less thing to worry about.

Also, which Ithaca 37s were used by us in Vietnam? Was it the featherwight? If so, what makes it a "featherweight"? Is the receiver alloy or something?
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Old November 18th, 2003, 09:53 PM
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Used to have a friend, now deceased, who shot
ducks with a Model 12 Win. in the slam-fire
mode. He was real good at it but I always
preferred to release the trigger and pull it
again. Seemed like racking the slide pulled
me off the second and third birds if I tried
the slam-fire.

I believe one reason for using the Ithaca 37 in
the military was the fact that it was closed on
the sides of the receiver, thereby being less
prone to collect trash.
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Old November 19th, 2003, 03:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Doogan:
Thanks for the replies. Why don't more guys use either the Ithaca 37 or Winchester 12 to build up all-out combat shotguns? Everything these days is either Remington 870 or Mossberg 590. It seems as if the slam-fire capability would be a huge benefit in a high stress situation. One less thing to worry about.
I don't know if it is a build up, but I have a '37 with:
-syntheic buttstock
-buttstock ammo holder
-sythetic forearm with hand strap
-Parkerized.

Thinking about putting a GR sight on at some point.

I think the reason people don't build the '37 up is that there are so may gizmos for the 870 and Mossys (..like drivin' through Pep Boys with a magnet). The '37 is limited in magazine capacity because of the mounting lug. Plus, I think the '37 is limited to 2-3/4 inch shells.
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Old November 19th, 2003, 10:30 AM
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How many rounds does your 37 hold? What length barrel is it?
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Old November 23rd, 2003, 03:54 PM
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NOBODY builds on 37s because they are too fragile and not reliable enough to take HEAVY hammering. (sorry if I am goring someones sacred cow. I am basing this on LOTS of years of police work and shooting competiton and seeing what works and what doesn't) In 20 years of serious big dollar competition shooting I never saw anyone use a Model 37 who was serious about winning. The 37s that were at the competitions NEVER worked under the restraints required by the times in order to be competitive.

Nobody builds on model 12s because parts are getting scarce and you need to really understand them when tweaking them. Model 12s also are drawing premium prices. The other thing is simply there are stronger systems out there.

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Old November 27th, 2003, 11:09 PM
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Lots of older guns will slam fire but careless people causing accidents got manufactures sued so they changed to disconnect mechanism's (non-slam fire).

I've see Marlin, Winchester, Remington, High standard, Ithica all with slam fire trigger mechanism's. You just need to look in the older used gun bin.

Slam fire is fun and if you train yourself you might be just as accurate but if you have to pick up someone else's toy it won't work the same way and you might be better off spending the money on ammo for training on the disconnect trigger system.
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Old November 28th, 2003, 12:53 AM
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I've had an 870 for about 15 years, and have used it and trained with it. Over the years, however, I keep reading about the advantage of slam fire, and I'm really curious to try it out, and see if it is, indeed, an advantage. I have a Winchester 12 on the way, and I'm trying to buy my buddy's Ithaca 37, so I'll have the chance to try out all three systems.

The one thing that bothers me about shotguns is the limited mag capacity. Personally, I'd feel a heck of a lot safer facing an angry mob with my M1A in my hands than I would any shotgun. But that's just me. I like my 870, but it's not the first gun I'd grab if the SHTF.

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Old November 28th, 2003, 08:37 AM
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I own an old sears 12 gauge(it's made by another company but I don't remember who it was and I don't wanna dig thru the gun locker at the moment),anyway it's capable of slam firing, and only cost 100 bucks.I've seen many of em for sale in pawn shops, at gunshows etc for roughly the same price.

The only draw back is it's 2 3/4 only.
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Old December 4th, 2003, 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by Doogan:
I know that the Ithaca 37 is, and the Remington 870 isn't. How about the Winchester 12 and 97? Mossberg 590? Benelli, etc?
Slamfiring was outlawed in the 1968 Guncontroll Act. So shotguns made since then will not.
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Old December 7th, 2003, 01:57 AM
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Is there any restriction to modifying a 870 or 500 for slam fire? Is this even possible? Safe?
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Old December 13th, 2003, 12:31 PM
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I bought one of those reproed 97 trench gun copies and it slam fires just like my original Win 97 made in 1916.
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Old December 14th, 2003, 06:51 AM
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Wolf - I don't think the '68 act changed any regulation regarding manually repeating shotguns, I recall several articles in NRA magazine about hunting accidents where law suits against REMchester and WINington were directed specifically against the slamfire feature and that was the cause of the change in trigger construction. That would be why the copy of the Win '97 from Norinco is slam-fire capable as no law against it just Norinco hasn't been sued yet and the lawyers will have a field day with them.

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"Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency." I wonder what we should call them? - Dept of Excess Taxation and Happiness Intervention...hummm

Harmless- you asked
"Is there any restriction to modifying a 870 or 500 for slam fire? Is this even possible? Safe?"

It's possible but not safe per current legal thinking so I doubt you'd find a gunsmith to do it for you. Sort of like asking them to disable the grip safety on your 1911A1 pistol. I had a heck of a time getting a gunsmith to remove the magazine disconnect safety on a browning highpower at one point.

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Old December 14th, 2003, 07:42 AM
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slam fire gives no real benefit to the shooter. It doesn't make a pump as fast as an auto. I have fired 37's and the 97 repors and they both do it, but it isn't a tactically sound move. You know that to fire the next shot you are going to have to slam the grip forward and it doesn't do it without intended effort. I have seen lots of folks slam firing, even really good shooters, and their hand usually comes off the grip at some point. Maybe not the first or second shot, but after a few quick ones, your grip isn't as good.

Above it is stated it seems one less thing to worry abour, but keeping a good grip is one more thing to worry about. Effectively, your non firing arm becomes the firing arm after the first shot and you have to consciously keep the trigger pulled back, which isn't natural or instinctual with most any other gun you shoot.
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Old February 10th, 2004, 12:26 AM
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Thanks to lawyers out there, no shotgun will slam fire anymore. I have a model 37 featherweight. It has the parkerized finish, a 20" barrel and it holds 7+1 rounds of 2-3/4" shells. The featherweights were not chambered for 3" when I bought this one. It has a single cocking bar, rather than 2 found now adays. Single bars can twist when several shots are fired quickly. I have never had a problem with it. I just would rather use my 590 or Benelli.
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Old February 10th, 2004, 03:31 PM
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what's slam fire ?
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Old February 10th, 2004, 07:57 PM
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Thats on a pump shotgun, where you can hold the trigger down and pump it and it goes off each time. old Ithaca model 37s did it.
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