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Old November 16th, 2006, 03:45 PM
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Semi-auto Norinco Type 81 rifles are pretty rare in the US. Norinco had five variants of this rifle on display at the January 1989 Shot Show. I believe those five and one or two more were all that made it to the US before the March import ban. Since 1989 I have only seen three for sale. This is the model EM-356, the 5.56X45 export version of the Type 81.

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Old November 16th, 2006, 03:49 PM
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Old November 16th, 2006, 06:03 PM
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those are great pictures, don. thanks for sharing them.

the 81 is, indeed, a rare bird.

at that same show were displayed three variants of the 5.45 'ak74' model that was to be introduced that spring, along with the 81 line and an upmarket line to match the polytech "legend" series.

sadly, the import ban of bush, the senior, put an end to many dreams for collectors of military firearms.

i know the type 81 served with the people's liberation army, but i know little of its' history and development (other than it was china's first attempt at going afield from replicating russian designs).

i would appreciate hearing anything you have to say about your very collectible rifle. congratulations on scoring a find that makes russian svd's look like threy grow on trees!
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Old November 16th, 2006, 08:32 PM
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great pics, as I've never seen one of those! Thanks..

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Old November 16th, 2006, 08:45 PM
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Is this the one they designed and built the 100 round drum for? Or does it just take the 30 and 40 rounders?

Looks almost like a cross between the SKS and a RPK.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 08:58 PM
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i forget where i got this pic...the rpk version of the type 81.

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Old November 16th, 2006, 09:09 PM
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at that same show were displayed three variants of the 5.45 'ak74' model that was to be introduced that spring, along with the 81 line and an upmarket line to match the polytech "legend" series.

sadly, the import ban of bush, the senior, put an end to many dreams for collectors of military firearms.

I only remember one, the Norinco Type 88, that's my buddy holding it in the picture. I remember one other 5.45 chambered rifle, a Type 88 on the wall but it wasn't set up like an AKS-74. Note the two factory AKS pistols on the wall above the Type 88.

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Old November 16th, 2006, 09:39 PM
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i forget where i got this pic...the rpk version of the type 81.
That one and a standard rifle belonged, don't know if they still do, to jd123
over at gunsnet. I wonder if all the rifles behind my buddy are in 5.45 I don't remember, they could have been all 5.56's.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 09:48 PM
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A bad shot of the Type 81 wall.

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Old November 16th, 2006, 09:49 PM
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Thanks Don!!!
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Old November 16th, 2006, 09:54 PM
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These were jd123's
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Old November 16th, 2006, 10:29 PM
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i know the type 81 served with the people's liberation army, but i know little of its' history and development (other than it was china's first attempt at going afield from replicating russian designs).

i would appreciate hearing anything you have to say about your very collectible rifle. congratulations on scoring a find that makes russian svd's look like threy grow on trees!
The first I heard of the Type 81 was in Peter Kokalis' SOF series "Guns behind the Great Wall". Not long after that article came out they appeared at the 1989 Shot Show and then vanished. About three years ago the LMG version showed up for sale at a Texas gun show. The Standard rifle and my 5.56 showed up two years ago for sale at J&G. There's some write ups on the web about the Type 81, like the one I linked in my first post.
When I first posted pictures of my rifle online I received email from a Chinese defense website asking if they could use my photo's. There might not be much official info on the Type 81 available to the average Chinese citizen.
I've never fired mine so I can't give much of a report on it.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 10:31 PM
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Is this the one they designed and built the 100 round drum for? Or does it just take the 30 and 40 rounders?

Looks almost like a cross between the SKS and a RPK.
The 75 round and 100 round 7.62X39 durms were designed for this weapon. Don't know about the 5.56 drums.
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Old November 17th, 2006, 09:15 AM
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i swear...i saved two pictures. one was of pla troops training with the 81 and one was of an army soldier in dress uniform holding a type 81.

there was also another picture floating around, if my poor memory serves me correctly, that showed sailors lined up on the deck of a boat. they 'may' have been holding type 81 rifles...but, i can't say for certain.

rotdorn/jeepcreep on the akfiles may remember or have a copy of those pics. i can't seem to find them on either hard drive!

the way i remember things, norinco was bringing in an ak74 clone, a type 56 (perhaps that right-side folder?) in 5.45 and an rpk74 clone.

i'm guessing the chinese built their protypes from russian, east german or bulgarian parts mixed with adapted home-grown pieces parts.

man, if only that ban hadn't ruined it for us...what 'could' have been.
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Nice score Don! Happy shooting
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Looks like my BB gun.
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Old November 17th, 2006, 08:52 PM
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Looks like my BB gun.
Yes it does.
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Nice pics and thanks for the history lesson. I appreciate the wealth and depth of knowledge here. Thanks to you all.
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</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Vulcan:
Looks like my BB gun.
Yes it does.
</font>[/QUOTE]It should, they are made by the same company.
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Old November 20th, 2006, 07:08 PM
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Okay. I am not sure I track the logic there. GM made M16s but they did not look a thing like a Chevy pickup truck.
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