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  • Which shotguns are slam fire capable?

    I know that the Ithaca 37 is, and the Remington 870 isn't. How about the Winchester 12 and 97? Mossberg 590? Benelli, etc?

  • #2
    The Winchester Model 12 & 97 will slam fire!
    Thanks to "lawyer Proofing? no other shotguns will slam fire, not even the repro Mod 12s that came out a few years ago!

    Ahab

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    • #3
      I see that the reproduction 1897s made in China have no disconnector. (Gun Tests Magazine)

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      • #4
        I have an older 870 Wingmaster that does. I shoot trap with it. The lack of the disconncetyor makes it alot easier to shoot doubles.
        SHHHHHHHH!!!! Don't tell!


        S.O.D.F.

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        • #5
          Thanks for the replies. Why don't more guys use either the Ithaca 37 or Winchester 12 to build up all-out combat shotguns? Everything these days is either Remington 870 or Mossberg 590. It seems as if the slam-fire capability would be a huge benefit in a high stress situation. One less thing to worry about.

          Also, which Ithaca 37s were used by us in Vietnam? Was it the featherwight? If so, what makes it a "featherweight"? Is the receiver alloy or something?

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          • #6
            Used to have a friend, now deceased, who shot
            ducks with a Model 12 Win. in the slam-fire
            mode. He was real good at it but I always
            preferred to release the trigger and pull it
            again. Seemed like racking the slide pulled
            me off the second and third birds if I tried
            the slam-fire.

            I believe one reason for using the Ithaca 37 in
            the military was the fact that it was closed on
            the sides of the receiver, thereby being less
            prone to collect trash.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Doogan:
              Thanks for the replies. Why don't more guys use either the Ithaca 37 or Winchester 12 to build up all-out combat shotguns? Everything these days is either Remington 870 or Mossberg 590. It seems as if the slam-fire capability would be a huge benefit in a high stress situation. One less thing to worry about.
              I don't know if it is a build up, but I have a '37 with:
              -syntheic buttstock
              -buttstock ammo holder
              -sythetic forearm with hand strap
              -Parkerized.

              Thinking about putting a GR sight on at some point.

              I think the reason people don't build the '37 up is that there are so may gizmos for the 870 and Mossys (..like drivin' through Pep Boys with a magnet). The '37 is limited in magazine capacity because of the mounting lug. Plus, I think the '37 is limited to 2-3/4 inch shells.

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              • #8
                How many rounds does your 37 hold? What length barrel is it?

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                • #9
                  NOBODY builds on 37s because they are too fragile and not reliable enough to take HEAVY hammering. (sorry if I am goring someones sacred cow. I am basing this on LOTS of years of police work and shooting competiton and seeing what works and what doesn't) In 20 years of serious big dollar competition shooting I never saw anyone use a Model 37 who was serious about winning. The 37s that were at the competitions NEVER worked under the restraints required by the times in order to be competitive.

                  Nobody builds on model 12s because parts are getting scarce and you need to really understand them when tweaking them. Model 12s also are drawing premium prices. The other thing is simply there are stronger systems out there.

                  [ 23. November 2003, 14:55: Message edited by: LAWCOP ]
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                  • #10
                    Lots of older guns will slam fire but careless people causing accidents got manufactures sued so they changed to disconnect mechanism's (non-slam fire).

                    I've see Marlin, Winchester, Remington, High standard, Ithica all with slam fire trigger mechanism's. You just need to look in the older used gun bin.

                    Slam fire is fun and if you train yourself you might be just as accurate but if you have to pick up someone else's toy it won't work the same way and you might be better off spending the money on ammo for training on the disconnect trigger system.
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                    • #11
                      I've had an 870 for about 15 years, and have used it and trained with it. Over the years, however, I keep reading about the advantage of slam fire, and I'm really curious to try it out, and see if it is, indeed, an advantage. I have a Winchester 12 on the way, and I'm trying to buy my buddy's Ithaca 37, so I'll have the chance to try out all three systems.

                      The one thing that bothers me about shotguns is the limited mag capacity. Personally, I'd feel a heck of a lot safer facing an angry mob with my M1A in my hands than I would any shotgun. But that's just me. I like my 870, but it's not the first gun I'd grab if the SHTF.

                      [ 27. November 2003, 23:54: Message edited by: Doogan ]

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                      • #12
                        I own an old sears 12 gauge(it's made by another company but I don't remember who it was and I don't wanna dig thru the gun locker at the moment),anyway it's capable of slam firing, and only cost 100 bucks.I've seen many of em for sale in pawn shops, at gunshows etc for roughly the same price.

                        The only draw back is it's 2 3/4 only.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Doogan:
                          I know that the Ithaca 37 is, and the Remington 870 isn't. How about the Winchester 12 and 97? Mossberg 590? Benelli, etc?
                          Slamfiring was outlawed in the 1968 Guncontroll Act. So shotguns made since then will not.

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                          • #14
                            Is there any restriction to modifying a 870 or 500 for slam fire? Is this even possible? Safe?

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                            • #15
                              I bought one of those reproed 97 trench gun copies and it slam fires just like my original Win 97 made in 1916.

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